My god some people are slow.

my god some people slow

My god some people are slow.

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

Ya think?
"Steve" wrote in message

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

Do as you pleez. Man.
"Steve" wrote in message

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

Steve:
Have patience, it's the same as the CPP of x64. The difference is that we now have Vista x86 and x64. One funny thing with x64 was a posting about trying to install x64 on a 500MH PIII with 64MG ram. I read and enjoy, post when I may be of assistance.
"Steve" wrote in message

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

My favorite here was the poster who couldn't figure out how to uninstall Vista because he couldn't find it in his Add/Remove Programs.
"Dennis Pack x64, v64 B2 (5384), O2007B2" wrote in message

Steve:
Have patience, it's the same as the CPP of x64. The difference is that we now have Vista x86 and x64. One funny thing with x64 was a posting about trying to install x64 on a 500MH PIII with 64MG ram. I read and enjoy, post when I may be of assistance.
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

Colin: I agree, that was a good one.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

My favorite here was the poster who couldn't figure out how to uninstall Vista because he couldn't find it in his Add/Remove Programs.
"Dennis Pack x64, v64 B2 (5384), O2007B2" <dennispack@nospamhotmail.com wrote in message Steve:
Have patience, it's the same as the CPP of x64. The difference is that we now have Vista x86 and x64. One funny thing with x64 was a posting about trying to install x64 on a 500MH PIII with 64MG ram. I read and enjoy, post when I may be of assistance.
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

I never saw that thread, but that is hilarious!
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

My favorite here was the poster who couldn't figure out how to uninstall Vista because he couldn't find it in his Add/Remove Programs.
"Dennis Pack x64, v64 B2 (5384), O2007B2" <dennispack@nospamhotmail.com wrote in message Steve:
Have patience, it's the same as the CPP of x64. The difference is that we now have Vista x86 and x64. One funny thing with x64 was a posting about trying to install x64 on a 500MH PIII with 64MG ram. I read and enjoy, post when I may be of assistance.
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

You forgot to mention backing up/imaging their information if/when they need to revert to their previous data, and operating system. Lets also not forget common sense, which it seems quite a few people didn't consider, trying to run Vista on their only computer, and then complaining when Vista isn't what they thought it was, however when was it not a beta os not for mainstream use??
Its truly amazing the number of special people who didn't read the blatant warnings on the Microsoft pages, and then wanted to get rid of Vista after they let it take over their current install, however never backed any file before installing Vista. If anyone has ever watched Carlos Mencia, just imagine his impression of a retard, and that sums everything up.
"Steve" wrote in message

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

"Steve" wrote in message

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

So we can assume from your post that you were born with the knowledge on hoe to do those things? You never had to ask a question to learn those skills?
It is my opinion that people like you that cannot remember that you were once like they are should not be posting here.
FWIW, you are not as smart as you think you are. No one ever is.
Bobby

I'm not exactly saying that some of them could drive at their IQ's and never get a ticket (even in a school zone), but the irresponsibility evidenced here is dumbfounding.
"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message

"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings
So we can assume from your post that you were born with the knowledge on hoe to do those things? You never had to ask a question to learn those skills?
It is my opinion that people like you that cannot remember that you were once like they are should not be posting here.
FWIW, you are not as smart as you think you are. No one ever is.
Bobby

Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.
"Steve" wrote in message

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message

"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings
So we can assume from your post that you were born with the knowledge on hoe to do those things? You never had to ask a question to learn those skills?
It is my opinion that people like you that cannot remember that you were once like they are should not be posting here.
FWIW, you are not as smart as you think you are. No one ever is.
Bobby
I'm going to agree with Steve here. I'm also going to ad:

backing up imaging their old system
No one is born knowing how to do these things, that's not what Steve said.
What Steve said is that if you don't know how to do these things, then instead of installing Vista on your main machine, you should be working on learning them. And wait to install Vista until you can.
What's so hard or so awful about that?
Todd

"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message

"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings
So we can assume from your post that you were born with the knowledge on hoe to do those things? You never had to ask a question to learn those skills?
It is my opinion that people like you that cannot remember that you were once like they are should not be posting here.
FWIW, you are not as smart as you think you are. No one ever is.
Bobby

That's not his point at all, and you know it. His point is that if you are at this point in your learning curve, you should NOT be installing the beta of an OS

Exactly. :)
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;)
"Tom Scales" wrote in message

That's not his point at all, and you know it. His point is that if you are at this point in your learning curve, you should NOT be installing the beta of an OS

My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message

Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

Oh come on. Get a sense of humor. Those of us that are spending our hours volunteering to help the people too stupid to back up their computer have one.
"Smoke286" wrote in message

My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

"Smoke286" wrote in message

My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself.

If you have a test machine with no data on it that you care about, then none of this applies to you.
If you are going to install Vista on a production machine, or your main home machine, then you need to know how to do these things, and you also need to do at least a data backup and better yet a drive image before you install Vista.
We have seen enough reports from people who have upgraded their Windows XP operating systems on a production machine, or their main home machine to Windows Vista, and then want to go back to Windows XP, to be able to say that you shouldn't do it.
In order not to do it, you need to create a new partition, and install Vista as a dual boot.
You need to be aware that some people have partitioned their hard drives, and then formatted their old operating system partitions, and installed their Windows Vista there. I was spooked enough by this possibility that I disconnected my Windows 2000 drive from the system while installing Vista on a different drive.
If you order the DVDs from Microsoft, you don't have to figure out how to burn the DVDs, but if you download the iso file, you must not only know how to burn it to a DVD, but also how to check the downloaded file to make sure that it is not corrupt as many of the downloads are.
If your BIOS is not set to boot from CD, you really do need to figure out how to set that in your BIOS before you can install Vista that way. Starting the Vista installation from Windows XP is another option. Since my operating system is Windows 2000 I didn't have that option, but I didn't want it.
Vista Beta 2 is a Beta. It is buggy and unstable. It is not as buggy or as unstable as earlier versions, and we all hope that RC1 will be less buggy and less unstable than Beta 2, but you should not look on this as a free operating system. It is test software for an operating system that is still being developed.
If you want to install any Beta operating system, not just Vista, you better learn these things plus a lot more before you screw up your system and lose your data.
I agree with what Steve said, I don't consider it to be unconstructive, although it may be a little condecending, and if you want to compare attitudes, I don't think you are going to come out too well.
Todd

"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

I think that it's absolutely GREAT that Newbies upgrade a BETA OS over their current OS, on their one and only production machine, backup nothing, don't know what an ISO is, totally FUBAR their machines, then come here and ask dumb (to some) questions!!! Making mistakes is about the BEST learning experience there is! Let's be patient. We were all there once. dotcom
"Tom Scales" wrote in message

Oh come on. Get a sense of humor. Those of us that are spending our hours volunteering to help the people too stupid to back up their computer have one.
"Smoke286" wrote in message My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.

Except that the disclaimers on GetReady do not say "use this download to increase your skills from newbie to proficiency." It says it is for developers, IT professionals, and technology specialists.
"Smoke286" wrote in message

My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

The disclaimers on GetReady warn against this. There are losts of resources on microsoft.com for learning all kinds of skills. CPP is not one of them.
"dotcom" wrote in message

I think that it's absolutely GREAT that Newbies upgrade a BETA OS over their current OS, on their one and only production machine, backup nothing, don't know what an ISO is, totally FUBAR their machines, then come here and ask dumb (to some) questions!!! Making mistakes is about the BEST learning experience there is! Let's be patient. We were all there once. dotcom
"Tom Scales" wrote in message Oh come on. Get a sense of humor. Those of us that are spending our hours volunteering to help the people too stupid to back up their computer have one.
"Smoke286" wrote in message My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.

I agree. If your first clue is that you cannot even find the email that has your product key then think!
"Todd" wrote in message

"Smoke286" wrote in message My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself.
If you have a test machine with no data on it that you care about, then none of this applies to you.
If you are going to install Vista on a production machine, or your main home machine, then you need to know how to do these things, and you also need to do at least a data backup and better yet a drive image before you install Vista.
We have seen enough reports from people who have upgraded their Windows XP operating systems on a production machine, or their main home machine to Windows Vista, and then want to go back to Windows XP, to be able to say that you shouldn't do it.
In order not to do it, you need to create a new partition, and install Vista as a dual boot.
You need to be aware that some people have partitioned their hard drives, and then formatted their old operating system partitions, and installed their Windows Vista there. I was spooked enough by this possibility that I disconnected my Windows 2000 drive from the system while installing Vista on a different drive.
If you order the DVDs from Microsoft, you don't have to figure out how to burn the DVDs, but if you download the iso file, you must not only know how to burn it to a DVD, but also how to check the downloaded file to make sure that it is not corrupt as many of the downloads are.
If your BIOS is not set to boot from CD, you really do need to figure out how to set that in your BIOS before you can install Vista that way. Starting the Vista installation from Windows XP is another option. Since my operating system is Windows 2000 I didn't have that option, but I didn't want it.
Vista Beta 2 is a Beta. It is buggy and unstable. It is not as buggy or as unstable as earlier versions, and we all hope that RC1 will be less buggy and less unstable than Beta 2, but you should not look on this as a free operating system. It is test software for an operating system that is still being developed.
If you want to install any Beta operating system, not just Vista, you better learn these things plus a lot more before you screw up your system and lose your data.
I agree with what Steve said, I don't consider it to be unconstructive, although it may be a little condecending, and if you want to compare attitudes, I don't think you are going to come out too well.
Todd
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

Yeah, there are disclaimers and then there is reality. dotcom
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

The disclaimers on GetReady warn against this. There are losts of resources on microsoft.com for learning all kinds of skills. CPP is not one of them.
"dotcom" wrote in message I think that it's absolutely GREAT that Newbies upgrade a BETA OS over their current OS, on their one and only production machine, backup nothing, don't know what an ISO is, totally FUBAR their machines, then come here and ask dumb (to some) questions!!! Making mistakes is about the BEST learning experience there is! Let's be patient. We were all there once. dotcom
"Tom Scales" wrote in message Oh come on. Get a sense of humor. Those of us that are spending our hours volunteering to help the people too stupid to back up their computer have one.
"Smoke286" wrote in message My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.

Not addressed to dotcom, but adding to what he said:
I used to be an automobile mechanic (circa 1970). I decided that breaking things was part of learning. Working with computers has not changed my mind.
Even so, use a little common sense. Do not upgrade production or main home machines to buggy, unstable, Beta test operating systems with all your data on them, without even backing up first.
Todd
"dotcom" wrote in message

I think that it's absolutely GREAT that Newbies upgrade a BETA OS over their current OS, on their one and only production machine, backup nothing, don't know what an ISO is, totally FUBAR their machines, then come here and ask dumb (to some) questions!!! Making mistakes is about the BEST learning experience there is! Let's be patient. We were all there once. dotcom
"Tom Scales" wrote in message Oh come on. Get a sense of humor. Those of us that are spending our hours volunteering to help the people too stupid to back up their computer have one.
"Smoke286" wrote in message My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.

How some of them find their way home everyday, gives one pause...
Well, on the bright side, we may very well have met a future Darwin Award winner right here in this newsgroup!
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

It's not a matter of conceit. If they bothered to read the red warning text before even downloading Vista Beta, they would read:
"Beta 2 is intended for developers, IT professionals and technology experts to continue or begin their testing of Windows Vista."
Further it says:
"Before you decide to use Beta 2, you should feel comfortable with installing operating systems, updating drivers, and general PC troubleshooting."
In other words, it's frustrating for guys that "should" be running this beta to troubleshoot valid issues and bugs when half the posts are related to questions that have nothing to do with issues and bugs. But rather "help, I hate Vista Beta because it has bugs (as if they couldn't anticipate that being a beta), and I've overwritten XP and didn't bother to backup any of my data".
So, allow us to let off some steam about it and whine and bitch from time to time. It seems to help. :)
-Larry
"Smoke286" wrote in message

My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

That was kinda said tongue in cheek Todd, but yes, I agree with you. dotcom
"Todd" wrote in message

Not addressed to dotcom, but adding to what he said:
I used to be an automobile mechanic (circa 1970). I decided that breaking things was part of learning. Working with computers has not changed my mind.
Even so, use a little common sense. Do not upgrade production or main home machines to buggy, unstable, Beta test operating systems with all your data on them, without even backing up first.
Todd
"dotcom" wrote in message I think that it's absolutely GREAT that Newbies upgrade a BETA OS over their current OS, on their one and only production machine, backup nothing, don't know what an ISO is, totally FUBAR their machines, then come here and ask dumb (to some) questions!!! Making mistakes is about the BEST learning experience there is! Let's be patient. We were all there once. dotcom
"Tom Scales" wrote in message Oh come on. Get a sense of humor. Those of us that are spending our hours volunteering to help the people too stupid to back up their computer have one.
"Smoke286" wrote in message My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.

Well, some of the people's reality checks are coming back NSF.
"dotcom" wrote in message

Yeah, there are disclaimers and then there is reality. dotcom
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message The disclaimers on GetReady warn against this. There are losts of resources on microsoft.com for learning all kinds of skills. CPP is not one of them.
"dotcom" wrote in message I think that it's absolutely GREAT that Newbies upgrade a BETA OS over their current OS, on their one and only production machine, backup nothing, don't know what an ISO is, totally FUBAR their machines, then come here and ask dumb (to some) questions!!! Making mistakes is about the BEST learning experience there is! Let's be patient. We were all there once. dotcom
"Tom Scales" wrote in message Oh come on. Get a sense of humor. Those of us that are spending our hours volunteering to help the people too stupid to back up their computer have one.
"Smoke286" wrote in message My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob T." wrote in message Personally I like quadruple booting and hosing os'es then fixing them. Espescially fun with Linux. They made this frickin dvd for me. Right off the bat, it wouldn't boot, not even close, half the drivers didn't load and I'm looking at a stable Vista system, tho in beta, that is my main platform now and may use it til it time bombs next year, all for $11 and a bunch of my time. I learned much in the Windows 2000 CPP where I knew very little and hit the newsgroups. But, yeah, if you're not willing to know how these things work, messin with a beta OS may not be worth the $11 and takin the machine to the repair shop.

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:11:02 -0230, "Smoke286" wrote:

My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself.

snip
Personally I have not been at this PC game very long, only since Windows 3.1 and there was a time when I was totally clueless about even the simplest things. I taught myself the hard way by breaking PCs then screaming for help. I freely admit I am not a trained pro but I know enough to get out of and into most things and more importantly I know what I cannot do and how to find out because as you rightly say my advantage is experience.
Actually I am a electronics engineer / mechanic but I ended up working in the IT world almost by accident as the only guy in the company who new how to set up an e mail account back in 1990, so I got the job.
Trouble with this Beta is that too many people a lot lower down the learning curve have been given access to something they are just not ready to deal with. MSFT have been very specific with warnings and disclaimers but in the real world nobody reads instructions or warnings till it all goes pear shaped and MSFT must have realised this. I certainly did not I just broke stuff through inexperience and lthen learnt what I had done wrong but the very first and most important lesson I learned when starting out was how to always have a good backup.
Sadly not many ever seem to have a backup these days, I have 3 x PCs on my bench being cleaned out and re-installed with XP at great cost to the owners and no backups so I am charging for the extra work involved in data recovery when possible.
From the responders POV the first 50 replies to "How do I uninstall Vista" or "Got no CD Key" or "Why does xyz not work in Vista" are OK but after that even the most patient of us get cynical. I must admit I find this NG interesting, sometimes amusing and sometimes totally hysterical.
Besides which this is Usenet its not the AOL help line, since when have NGs been patient and kind to idiots? most of em get KFed, this NG has been helpful way beyond the call of duty and stiill is.
If MSFT want to pay the main guys in here for the sterling work they do like Andre, Colin and the rest of the guys then fine you can have a go at condescending attitudes, otherwise get over yourself, who made you the NG police?
OTOH why don't you handle the next 50 "Help I overwote my XP with Vista" yourself, see how long you last?
8-)
Jonah

Jonah: I agree, patience is a virtue that most don't exercise. I work as a technical consultant in another field, at times there very good questions that make us think, questions that require changes to correct errors, then the majority that are plain dumb or lazy. We have to handle them all in the same and professional manner. XP x64 and Vista x64 are a hobby for me and an exercise in making things work, finding errors or solutions. I only answer when I think that I may have a good answer or a solution. I read all posts knowing that I don't have to answer or flame what I don't agree with. The thing that we all have to remember is that no one has all the answers and at one time we were looking for the same answers.
"jonah" wrote in message

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:11:02 -0230, "Smoke286" <Smoke286@gmail.com wrote:
My God some of you people are conceited. Sure you've been at this longer then some of the rest of us, sure some of those who downloaded Vista as part of the CPP program are not technically proficient enough to handle the learning curve. But trust me on this, very few of you are rocket scientists either. You have one advantage, you have been at this longer. Get over your condescending attitudes. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then keep your snide remarks to yourself.
snip
Personally I have not been at this PC game very long, only since Windows 3.1 and there was a time when I was totally clueless about even the simplest things. I taught myself the hard way by breaking PCs then screaming for help. I freely admit I am not a trained pro but I know enough to get out of and into most things and more importantly I know what I cannot do and how to find out because as you rightly say my advantage is experience.
Actually I am a electronics engineer / mechanic but I ended up working in the IT world almost by accident as the only guy in the company who new how to set up an e mail account back in 1990, so I got the job.
Trouble with this Beta is that too many people a lot lower down the learning curve have been given access to something they are just not ready to deal with. MSFT have been very specific with warnings and disclaimers but in the real world nobody reads instructions or warnings till it all goes pear shaped and MSFT must have realised this. I certainly did not I just broke stuff through inexperience and lthen learnt what I had done wrong but the very first and most important lesson I learned when starting out was how to always have a good backup.
Sadly not many ever seem to have a backup these days, I have 3 x PCs on my bench being cleaned out and re-installed with XP at great cost to the owners and no backups so I am charging for the extra work involved in data recovery when possible.
From the responders POV the first 50 replies to "How do I uninstall Vista" or "Got no CD Key" or "Why does xyz not work in Vista" are OK but after that even the most patient of us get cynical. I must admit I find this NG interesting, sometimes amusing and sometimes totally hysterical.
Besides which this is Usenet its not the AOL help line, since when have NGs been patient and kind to idiots? most of em get KFed, this NG has been helpful way beyond the call of duty and stiill is.
If MSFT want to pay the main guys in here for the sterling work they do like Andre, Colin and the rest of the guys then fine you can have a go at condescending attitudes, otherwise get over yourself, who made you the NG police?
OTOH why don't you handle the next 50 "Help I overwote my XP with Vista" yourself, see how long you last?
8-)
Jonah

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" wrote in message
We have to handle them all in the same and professional manner.
The only reason this statement is true for you is that if you did not you would lose your source of income. You may wax philosophical about our moral obligation to our fellow man, but the bottom line is, you have to be nice because of money. Nobody is being paid to help people here, ergo, not the same rules.

Mark D. VandenBerg wrote:

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" dennispack@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
We have to handle them all in the same and professional manner.
The only reason this statement is true for you is that if you did not you would lose your source of income. You may wax philosophical about our moral obligation to our fellow man, but the bottom line is, you have to be nice because of money. Nobody is being paid to help people here, ergo, not the same rules.

Yes. Only rules of common courtesy rule here. But here is a good comeback for dumb questions (You have probably seen this before):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375/en-us
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" <dennispack@nospamhotmail.com wrote in message
We have to handle them all in the same and professional manner.
The only reason this statement is true for you is that if you did not you would lose your source of income. You may wax philosophical about our moral obligation to our fellow man, but the bottom line is, you have to be nice because of money. Nobody is being paid to help people here, ergo, not the same rules.

"Kerry Brown" wrote in message Mark D. VandenBerg wrote:

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" dennispack@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
We have to handle them all in the same and professional manner.
The only reason this statement is true for you is that if you did not you would lose your source of income. You may wax philosophical about our moral obligation to our fellow man, but the bottom line is, you have to be nice because of money. Nobody is being paid to help people here, ergo, not the same rules.

There is never an excuse for rudeness. I admit to sometimes writing very sarcastic usenet replies but most of the time I hit delete instead of send. None of this applies to trolls of course. It's only common sense to be rude to trolls.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.

Mark D. VandenBerg wrote:

I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.

It is possible to be polite while informing someone they are stupid.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

I have seen some of this "consultation in other fields" that are technical and not primarily IT and have participated in it for a long time, and you are dead wrong that the only reason that people who consult if they weren't professional 1) would lose their income and are "only nice because of the money." Likewise it doesn't hold that people can't be professional here because they aren't being paid.
The situation is a lot more nuanced and granular. In many fields however, people are professional because they got into them to solve problems and help people, and I can assure you many of us in some fields could make a lot more money with a lot less hassle that take a lot less patience and raw hours per day in other fields.
My country is already seeing a sharp drop in these fields and it's not going to get better.
CH
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" <dennispack@nospamhotmail.com wrote in message
We have to handle them all in the same and professional manner.
The only reason this statement is true for you is that if you did not you would lose your source of income. You may wax philosophical about our moral obligation to our fellow man, but the bottom line is, you have to be nice because of money. Nobody is being paid to help people here, ergo, not the same rules.

I've bookmarked that one ;) First time I've actually gotten around to reading it!!
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;)
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Yes. Only rules of common courtesy rule here. But here is a good comeback for dumb questions (You have probably seen this before):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375/en-us

"With all due respect, but you are really stupid." Or some such line. Maybe?
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message

Mark D. VandenBerg wrote: I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.
It is possible to be polite while informing someone they are stupid.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

The best part of the MSKB on "How to Ask a Question" a variation of How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm and http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is the Brad Smithism (VP Legal Affairs MSFT) at the end. They thought they needed a legal disclaimer for their MSKB on how to ask a question. Quintissentially Redmond campusesque.
Brad Smith http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/bradsmith/default.mspx
This thing here :
COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS CONTENT DISCLAIMER MICROSOFT CORPORATION AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, OR ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED HEREIN. ALL SUCH INFORMATION AND RELATED GRAPHICS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS INFORMATION AND RELATED GRAPHICS, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, WORKMANLIKE EFFORT, TITLE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. YOU SPECIFICALLY AGREE THAT IN NO EVENT SHALL MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE INFORMATION AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED HEREIN, WHETHER BASED ON CONTRACT, TORT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHERWISE, EVEN IF MICROSOFT OR ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGES.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Yes. Only rules of common courtesy rule here. But here is a good comeback for dumb questions (You have probably seen this before):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375/en-us
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message
"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" <dennispack@nospamhotmail.com wrote in message
We have to handle them all in the same and professional manner.
The only reason this statement is true for you is that if you did not you would lose your source of income. You may wax philosophical about our moral obligation to our fellow man, but the bottom line is, you have to be nice because of money. Nobody is being paid to help people here, ergo, not the same rules.

What was the implication of "premier truck driver"? Stop the trucks and you ain't seein' no Vista or a panopoly of other software and toys you like. What was the connotation of premier with truck driver. There are six bridges in the US and if you were to take them out you could instantly paralyze commerce and much of that commerce would travel by 18 wheeler.
The kid could have grown up to be a thoracic surgeon named Bill Frist on the floor of your Senate as the Majority Leader pissing away time on "gay marriage"and "flag burning" when embryonic stem cell funding consideration could have kept idiots like Frist from opening chests on mediastinal tumors that they can't fix and embryonic stem cells could.
The lust to run for President and Win will really whore you out.
Just wondered what the connotation was with "premier truck driver", politely telling people they're stupid and your assessment in the second grade that the kid was "stupid" whatever the word means.
CH

"Kerry Brown" wrote in message

Mark D. VandenBerg wrote: I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.
It is possible to be polite while informing someone they are stupid.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

I think that MSKB was the sequel to this one:
http://24.196.144.100:82/KB/
CH
"Jane C" wrote in message

I've bookmarked that one ;) First time I've actually gotten around to reading it!!
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;)
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes. Only rules of common courtesy rule here. But here is a good comeback for dumb questions (You have probably seen this before):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375/en-us

You need to be more subtle. In reference to the original post you could merely ask another question such as "I'm trying to write my burn CD key but it doesn't seem to be working. Does the CD need to be of the flammable variety?". If the person is stupid they will probably be confused and ignore you while most people would realise you were having a jest at their expense. If they weren't stupid they may take offence that you pointed out that their post didn't make sense but then if they weren't stupid they were trolling so any rudeness is excused.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Colin Barnhorst wrote:

"With all due respect, but you are really stupid." Or some such line. Maybe?
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message Mark D. VandenBerg wrote: I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.
It is possible to be polite while informing someone they are stupid.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

While we're on the topic - I think you posted your reply to the wrong person. I didn't write the post you referenced so I have no idea what the implication is :-)
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Chad Harris wrote:

What was the implication of "premier truck driver"? Stop the trucks and you ain't seein' no Vista or a panopoly of other software and toys you like. What was the connotation of premier with truck driver. There are six bridges in the US and if you were to take them out you could instantly paralyze commerce and much of that commerce would travel by 18 wheeler. The kid could have grown up to be a thoracic surgeon named Bill Frist on the floor of your Senate as the Majority Leader pissing away time on "gay marriage"and "flag burning" when embryonic stem cell funding consideration could have kept idiots like Frist from opening chests on mediastinal tumors that they can't fix and embryonic stem cells could. The lust to run for President and Win will really whore you out.
Just wondered what the connotation was with "premier truck driver", politely telling people they're stupid and your assessment in the second grade that the kid was "stupid" whatever the word means.
CH

"Kerry Brown" wrote in message Mark D. VandenBerg wrote: I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.
It is possible to be polite while informing someone they are stupid.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

A lot of people who perceive themselves Mensa boys and girls have a ton of Darwin Award moments in their lives.
CH
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

How some of them find their way home everyday, gives one pause...
Well, on the bright side, we may very well have met a future Darwin Award winner right here in this newsgroup!
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

Trolling in some quarters means going to bars and trying to pick someone up. I imagine you are using "troll" in the connotation referenced here:
Who's afraid of the big bad Troll? http://mwillett.org/troll.htm
CH
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message

You need to be more subtle. In reference to the original post you could merely ask another question such as "I'm trying to write my burn CD key but it doesn't seem to be working. Does the CD need to be of the flammable variety?". If the person is stupid they will probably be confused and ignore you while most people would realise you were having a jest at their expense. If they weren't stupid they may take offence that you pointed out that their post didn't make sense but then if they weren't stupid they were trolling so any rudeness is excused.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Colin Barnhorst wrote: "With all due respect, but you are really stupid." Or some such line. Maybe?
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message Mark D. VandenBerg wrote: I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.
It is possible to be polite while informing someone they are stupid.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Exactly, it's an art form done right. Unfortunately most people who attempt to troll don't realise this. But they're just stupid anyway so we all have fun at their expense.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Chad Harris wrote:

Trolling in some quarters means going to bars and trying to pick someone up. I imagine you are using "troll" in the connotation referenced here: Who's afraid of the big bad Troll? http://mwillett.org/troll.htm
CH
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message You need to be more subtle. In reference to the original post you could merely ask another question such as "I'm trying to write my burn CD key but it doesn't seem to be working. Does the CD need to be of the flammable variety?". If the person is stupid they will probably be confused and ignore you while most people would realise you were having a jest at their expense. If they weren't stupid they may take offence that you pointed out that their post didn't make sense but then if they weren't stupid they were trolling so any rudeness is excused. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Colin Barnhorst wrote: "With all due respect, but you are really stupid." Or some such line. Maybe?
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message Mark D. VandenBerg wrote: I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.
It is possible to be polite while informing someone they are stupid. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

As long as it gets posted. Someone into the thread enough to tell the story and give the career followup as "premier truck driver" will find it easily.
CH
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message

While we're on the topic - I think you posted your reply to the wrong person. I didn't write the post you referenced so I have no idea what the implication is :-)
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Chad Harris wrote: What was the implication of "premier truck driver"? Stop the trucks and you ain't seein' no Vista or a panopoly of other software and toys you like. What was the connotation of premier with truck driver. There are six bridges in the US and if you were to take them out you could instantly paralyze commerce and much of that commerce would travel by 18 wheeler. The kid could have grown up to be a thoracic surgeon named Bill Frist on the floor of your Senate as the Majority Leader pissing away time on "gay marriage"and "flag burning" when embryonic stem cell funding consideration could have kept idiots like Frist from opening chests on mediastinal tumors that they can't fix and embryonic stem cells could. The lust to run for President and Win will really whore you out.
Just wondered what the connotation was with "premier truck driver", politely telling people they're stupid and your assessment in the second grade that the kid was "stupid" whatever the word means.
CH

"Kerry Brown" wrote in message Mark D. VandenBerg wrote: I remember one time when I was seven, my mom overheard me call a classmate stupid. My mom made me apologize, so I looked at the kid and said, "I'm sorry you're stupid." True story, ask my mom. Got the beating of my life, too!
The moral of the story is, sometimes the initial pain of the truth, cold and hard though it may be, is the first step towards true healing. Today that kid is one of America's premier truck-drivers.
It is possible to be polite while informing someone they are stupid.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Now THAT would be impressive. By definition, you can only have ONE Darwin Award moment in your life. If you're having more than one, then we've witnessed the second coming.
Tom "Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message

A lot of people who perceive themselves Mensa boys and girls have a ton of Darwin Award moments in their lives.
CH
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message How some of them find their way home everyday, gives one pause...
Well, on the bright side, we may very well have met a future Darwin Award winner right here in this newsgroup!
"Steve" wrote in message I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:04:38 +1200, "Steve" wrote:

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

As a person who meets the minimum requirements cited who is, so far, a "successful" fledgling beta tester, and while I agree with the sentiment of the original post, I can't help but think, why does the manufacturer of the product allow such ready availability of a beta release to the unwashed masses?
Yes, there are many warnings and disclaimers that experienced users correctly view as "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen", but we all know, like manuals, the masses don't read 'em, never have or will. And if you hang it out there, they will download and install it. Dual boot, schmual boot. Back-up, schmack-up
Here's my sci-fi based "black helicopters"/Orwellian thought regarding this scenario (and old X-Files fan or not, I can't be the first to have thought it, indeed there must be a term for it, no?) -insert Twilight Zone theme music- It's almost as if Redmond is "beta testing" the MVP/power user community's ability to help with work arounds, for installation problems, bugs encountered, etc., etc., etc... Tell me I'm nuts, but...

On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 06:41:14 -0500, DJ Bjorklund wrote:

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:04:38 +1200, "Steve" <sgladding@ihug.co.nz wrote:
I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings
As a person who meets the minimum requirements cited who is, so far, a "successful" fledgling beta tester, and while I agree with the sentiment of the original post, I can't help but think, why does the manufacturer of the product allow such ready availability of a beta release to the unwashed masses?
Yes, there are many warnings and disclaimers that experienced users correctly view as "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen", but we all know, like manuals, the masses don't read 'em, never have or will. And if you hang it out there, they will download and install it. Dual boot, schmual boot. Back-up, schmack-up
Here's my sci-fi based "black helicopters"/Orwellian thought regarding this scenario (and old X-Files fan or not, I can't be the first to have thought it, indeed there must be a term for it, no?) -insert Twilight Zone theme music- It's almost as if Redmond is "beta testing" the MVP/power user community's ability to help with work arounds, for installation problems, bugs encountered, etc., etc., etc... Tell me I'm nuts, but...

Hey you got a point there DJ, not as far fetched as it sounds, have a ready to go free support system for Vista when it is released.
Sounds like MSFT have outsmarted us again
Jonah

Oh, I suggested at least a week ago that the wealth of knowledge MSFT gained about their typical user by releasing this Beta was invaluable and probably worth millions saved in "focus group testing" and the like.
That they did this on purpose with an eye on almost exactly this result would be hard to build an argument against. Kudos to the evil genius that came up with the idea!
"DJ Bjorklund" wrote in message On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:04:38 +1200, "Steve" wrote:

I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings

Unless the unwashed masses decide not to buy Vista based on the beta experience :-)
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

Oh, I suggested at least a week ago that the wealth of knowledge MSFT gained about their typical user by releasing this Beta was invaluable and probably worth millions saved in "focus group testing" and the like.
That they did this on purpose with an eye on almost exactly this result would be hard to build an argument against. Kudos to the evil genius that came up with the idea!
"DJ Bjorklund" wrote in message On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:04:38 +1200, "Steve" <sgladding@ihug.co.nz wrote:
I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you don't know how to do the following you shouldn't mess around with operating systems (especially beta version):
Paritioning Dual booting DVD ISO buring Writing burn CD Keys Changing BIOS settings
As a person who meets the minimum requirements cited who is, so far, a "successful" fledgling beta tester, and while I agree with the sentiment of the original post, I can't help but think, why does the manufacturer of the product allow such ready availability of a beta release to the unwashed masses?
Yes, there are many warnings and disclaimers that experienced users correctly view as "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen", but we all know, like manuals, the masses don't read 'em, never have or will. And if you hang it out there, they will